DanZ ([info]fclbrokle) wrote,
@ 2009-02-27 18:18:00
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XKCD, right again
It really happens!

I came across this handout on "Common Mistakes in Algebra." All well and good, except for #14, which is not wrong! Or, if it is, it's wrong for a very different reason than the solution gives.

#14 claims that it is false to say that sqrt(-x) * sqrt(-y) = sqrt(xy).

If both x and y are negative, then this is totally correct.

If one or more is not negative, then you are taking a square root of a negative number, so you really have no choice but to think about multiple square roots. Then this must be read as "the product of any square root of -x with any square root of -y gives a square root of xy," which is true! (One could quibble with the use of an equals sign here, but if you give it the generous reading then this is entirely correct.)

The solution key says that this is wrong, because sqrt(-x) = i * sqrt(x), and sqrt(-y) = i * sqrt(y), and so multiplying those together you get -sqrt(xy). But the negative of a square root is still a square root! And sqrt(-x) = i * sqrt(x) in a consistent fashion only if you let your square root take on multiple values!

So I wrote to the author of the worksheet to point out this (admittedly subtle) fact which she got from a published textbook. I spent quite some time crafting a nice e-mail and explaining the mathematics in detail so that this would be, as much as possible, a learning experience.

The e-mail bounced from her now-defunct e-mail address.

*sigh*

That is, I suppose, how it goes when you try to correct the Internet. The result lives on, and keeps its high page rank on Google, too.

(Incidentally, I'm sure that those of you who browse carefully will notice that yes, this is a teacher at the college level of other mathematics teachers, and this is someone who was studying to get a PhD in mathematics education. If you feel like launching into a rant about teacher educators, then I suggest you actually do something productive with yourself to help improve mathematics education instead. If you feel like launching into a rant about textbook publishers who don't get mathematically competent editors, then by all means, proceed. :))



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[info]riposte09
2009-02-28 01:13 am UTC (link)
Rant: I tutor at my local community college. One day when I was about to leave after the end of my hours, I was asked to take a look at a student's problem that another tutor didn't know how to do. So I go over and take a look, and it turns out that the difficult question was actually finding a Riemann sum. Not only that, but the sum was already set up in the problem in summation notation. And so I end up spending the next five minutes explaining summation notation and Riemann sums. Ordinarily, I wouldn't have minded: these are community college peer tutors. Except this tutor wasn't a peer tutor; she was a professor at the college. How can you claim to be a math professor and not know what a Riemann sum is or how to read summation notation?

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[info]cesium12
2009-02-28 01:29 am UTC (link)
So I think it depends on some definition trickery, i.e. sqrt() gives the positive solution if one exists, and sqrt(-x) = i * sqrt(x) is only true for positive x (I mean, that's really just a special case of the original equation for y = 1).

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[info]marcusmarcusrc
2009-02-28 02:10 am UTC (link)
I wrote a correction to Dr. Math once, for their mistake in the following page:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56690.html

I even got a nice reply, acknowledging that I was correct, and that they had asked the archivist to correct the webpage. That was 3 months ago, and it is still wrong, alas...

Where it is _really_ a useless waste of time is to try and correct the stupid climate denialists who insist on believing that the increase of CO2 in the past century is not caused by humans, that CO2 is "saturated", or that "acidification" is not the appropriate term for moving from pH 9 to pH 8 because both pHs are basic... (there are legitimate uncertainties out there! I just want them to drop the ones that are totally and completely _wrong_ in order to bring the level of the debate up...)

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[info]yashabk
2009-02-28 08:21 am UTC (link)
Sarcastic rant: I was doing a problem in my geometry textbook and it asked me to show that if S is a regular surface homeomorphic to the sphere and G is a geodesic curve on S that splits S into two regions A and B, then the images of A and B under the Gauss map have the same area. I spent a long time trying to figure it out, and then I found a counterexample! Indeed, the publishers let this book be published with a problem that was wrong! Because of this, I turned in my problem set half an hour late, which caused me great distress. I even had to email the professor to apologize!

Anyways, I guess my point is that it's unreasonable to expect anything to contain no mistakes, and often it's also unreasonable to expect them to be corrected, especially in the case of printed things.

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[info]ukelele
2009-02-28 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Wait. If both x and y are negative, then...

Let x=-4, y=-4. sqrt (-x)*sqrt(-y)=sqrt(4)*sqrt(4)=2*2=4=sqrt(16)=(sqrt -4*-4), yeah? I think you meant to say something else.

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[info]cesium12
2009-02-28 05:31 pm UTC (link)
"If both x and y are negative, then this is totally correct." ?

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[info]ukelele
2009-02-28 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Man, that's what I get for trying to think ten minutes after I wake up.

I read the "totally correct" as applying to the equation (and thus contradicting "it is false to say"), not as applying to the entire statement.

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